Kay Aubrey-Chimene - Building an Enlightened Business

Wendy Manganaro: 0:00

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Wendy: 0:38

Hi everyone. Today we have another exciting topic. We are talking about building an enlightened business, helping humans, horses, or pets, and we have another special guest, Kay Aubrey-Chimene. I'll read her bio and then we'll get right into it. Kay is an internationally known bionutritional consultant and light therapy educator who founded and directs Photonic Therapy Institute As the owner and director of Grand Adventures Ranch, a holistic wellness center. She has developed light therapy and photo puncture protocols for humans and animals that are as successfully used internationally by clients and practitioners, practitioner, writer, speaker, and educator. K teaches international. With a primary focus on using a cleanse, nourish balance approach toward health for all species. She hosts weekly light therapy, education webinars for her students and the public on best practices for attaining maximum results from any light therapy tools. K is the driving force behind the live and online late therapy and photo puncture courses hosted by photo. Therapy institute her revolutionary courses on photo puncture, light therapy. Combined the accuracy of acupuncture with the healing power of light, and are recognized for a national certificate certification by B.A.N.S Board of Advanced Natural Sciences. Hi. Kay, welcome.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 2:05

Hi. I didn't realize you were gonna have to read that whole tongue twister.

Wendy: 2:09

It's all good. I like reading my guests bios because I'm like, listen, that what you've done. Sometimes we forget until we hear it and we. Oh yeah, I have done that.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 2:20

Yeah, it's always good when we have somebody else help us to toot our own horn. I had somebody else help write the bio introduction.

Wendy: 2:27

So welcome to the show and thank you for doing this. It's been a blast doing the show, of course, but I love meeting everybody and learning about what they do and how they self-care and how they help others self-care in so many ways. So this is just another one of those topics and because we're talking about light therapy, I'd love to know, what your concept is, because I will tell you that mine was, I don't know if you remember, there was a time when everybody had seasonal depression. This is like going back a long time ago.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 2:55

Yeah. Affective disorder. Right.

Wendy: 2:57

Exactly.. And everybody was on light therapy, but nobody really knew how that worked or who was really on it. But it was like this buzzword for a bit. So I'd love for your take on what is light therapy and how you got started in it.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 3:10

To help clear that up. Seasonal SAD, seasonal effective disorder is still to this day, treated with blue light panels that help to change the circadian rhythm in your brain and, wake your brain back up and help overcome depressive instances that are focused on not enough light in our life. But light therapy in the way that we refer to it is now actually got a better name. The new name is Photobiomodulation. Basically balancing the body with photons, the packets of light. And it's been around for about 120 years. It's been heavily researched, well, Light Therapy's been around for thousands of years. Even back the ancient Greeks and the Egyptians, they had rooms where people could be in the light to help overcome issues. But what we think of today as light therapy, which is saturating the body with specific colors of light to trigger cellular respiration and giving the each cell the energy it needs to do its own job better and to heal and replicate and detox, and all of those things that we need energy for that's really been studied since about the 1960s and then when NASA came into it and the advent of better and better lasers and then better and better, LEDs where we could focus with very specific wavelengths and pulse them at certain wave at certain frequencies meant a rapidly growing area of medicine, and it's now one of the fastest, most researched areas growing worldwide. So what started off for me 25 years ago as a WOOWOO practitioner and Oh yeah. You got those little red diodes and the F.D.A. only approved light therapy devices if they had a heating element to it. So they approved it as a heating pad cuz of course light didn't do anything. and now today we see massive areas. I was doing a new list on all the types of light therapy there are now, and it just kept growing all the different applications that we use it for. There's a brilliant woman in Australia using highly targeted laser light for laser anesthesia. And they're literally like pulling wisdom teeth with doing nothing but numbing a nerve with laser. So the applications have exploded.

Wendy: 5:40

Oh, that's really interesting. And see how much I know about the subject because that's not what I would assume you could do with light therapy or utilize this that's fascinating. So for you, did it grow with you because you were into it.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 5:58

No, I'm a lifelong horse woman. I grew up on the back of a horse and then when I went off to college and I was gonna go to vet school and all of these things, I got sicker and sicker by my early thirties. I stood up in my foot broke. I was so arthritic and so acidic and so out of shape, and I was really a product of Western diet and Western medicine. I had allergies, so I lived on antihistamines. I was always in pain, so I lived on, analgesics. I got worse and worse. I was eating a typical Western diet, tons of preservatives and food colorings and crap, and I just got sicker and sicker, but I didn't do anything for me and I had a girlfriend get me back on a horse. And I ended up buying, a heart horse. He was just the sweetest thing in the world and he ended up bowing both front legs, which means he totally ripped the suspensory ligaments in both front legs and two different vets said, put him down. He's hamburger you'll never write him again. He'll never be out of pain. But my vet who'd been out of town, came back and she's very holistically minded and she said, I've been reading about these light therapy wraps now, this is the early 1990s. Nobody had ever heard of this stuff. This was way out there, but I trusted her and I didn't tell my husband how much I went and put on the credit cards that week cuz we were dead broke and I bought these light therapy wraps for his front legs. And typically with bow tendons, if you can save them at all, they get stuck in a little 10 by 10 pen for six months. They're not allowed to do anything but barely walk and they end up with all kinds of scar tissue and you then start working on the scar tissue. Well when we ultrasound him, we found that he already had a lot of scar tissue and it turned out he had old bows. So we started using these light therapy wraps on him twice a day, morning and night. And at 30 days I called her back out and I said, would you come check him for me cuz all the swelling is gone. And they called it a bow tendon cuz the leg bows out like it's a tire. And she said it's way too early. Take six months. I said, I've got a science background. I've gotta see what's happening. So she came back out and she did new ultrasounds and when we compared the ones right after he damaged himself, which had completely ripped the suspensory ligaments at 30 days. He'd laid down all but one pinpoint hole of all the collagen needed for new ligaments, and he'd broken down about 75% of all this old scar tissue. We were shocked and I started hand walking him, and at 90 days his legs were cleaner than if he was a baby. And he's now a 40 year old pasture pony that looks in my window every morning.

Wendy: 8:47

That's awesome. What an incredible story.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 8:50

Yeah. That's what brought me to light, and he taught me how to start getting myself healthy because what I wouldn't do for myself, I would do for my horse. I started learning about detoxification and proper mineralization and pH the body, and then when I started layering light onto that and figured out what I could do. I don't have arthritis anymore. I'm a woman in her sixties and I still, haul around hay bales and grab hay and take care of eight horses and do all of that, which I would never have thought I would've been able to do at 32.

Wendy: 9:28

So I love your story because the whole onus on this is as an entrepreneur yourself, but is this idea of self-care. And I like that you said because it's so true. What I would do for him, I wouldn't do for myself. I have four animals, two children. I understand that statement, especially when I was younger, I would've never thought to take care of myself the way that I take care of others. Right. If you're an athlete. Even the athletes of this world, they're taught how to bulk up their muscles, but they're not taught how to prevent the lactic acid buildup or to repair themselves right after extreme workouts. And we shorten our enjoyment of life. Even if we don't shorten our lifespan. We shorten our enjoyment of life by allowing that to happen to ourselves. And if we don't take care of ourselves, we can't take care of anyone else. Yeah. Always that's the way that is. And I love that you work with horses because I do have an affinity to them. I've never owned them. But I love to ride 'em. And I think there is something so self-caring when you get to spend that time with a horse

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 10:29

They reground you. They're fabulous. They reground you, they connect you to Mother Nature. They make you slow down. You can't go fast around a horse. You will get hurt.

Wendy: 10:37

Right. I think they're beautiful. And you can tell that they have some sort for lack of a better word, magical soul to them. They're so in the moment. They're just so in the moment of, okay, we're doing this, I love them.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 10:48

It takes a. To lose a horse's faith in you. And when you do, it takes a lot to get it back. They try to live in the moment. They try to, allow for what's happening. They're there to teach us so much, but they're the one brought me into light therapy. I started off learning all of the photo puncture, all of the other work for my horses. And it wasn't till 10, 15 years later that I started working on humans with it. Other than myself and my own family.

Wendy: 11:12

So that actually leads me to the question. Because I've read in your bio that you've combined acupuncture with light therapy. So I'd love for you to talk about that because I know acupuncture is one of those things that. It's been around for thousands of years, people use it. I have friends who swear by it. But using it with light therapy, I'm interested in how that either intensifies or really helps somebody.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 11:37

It is actually replacing the needle with light. So as I was saying, there's many different applications with light as the two that we focus on at Photonic Therapy Institute and that I teach the most of. The first one is that big, fancy word I said, photobiomodulation. That's where we're just saturating the body with light. In order to give it enough energy to do what it's supposed to do, and if you target it in a certain way, you get better responses and better results. We teach about that. That's normally done with pads or hadn't held devices or lasers. If you went to a doctor or a chiropractor and he whipped out his laser, that's usually what they're doing. They're waving that back and forth and giving a certain amount of light to the tissue underneath the laser or underneath the handheld device. Photo puncture is a little bit different, back about 35 years ago, research was being done in Russia where they had a very sensitive, screen sent a scanner that could show when the energetic potential of a cell would change. In other words, the cell would light up and they were testing lasers on a patient and they suddenly realized that when they would light up, for example, what is lung one, which is a point directly here underneath your shoulder blade, right? All of a sudden a light would light up the end of the thumb. And it's not something you're gonna see with your visible naked eye. But it was something where they would see the cellular potential change. There was more energy in the cells at the end of the thumb then, and they started tracing the cell and they realized that they exactly matched where the acupuncture meridians were and where certain points on the meridians would come to the surface And, what we learned is over this time is that light is channeled down the acupuncture meridians just like it is fiber optic cable. In recent years, we've learned that those meridians are actually a kind of core puzzle that flows to the body, and they can now with newer imaging and MRI techniques and so on, they can now trace those meridians. Skeptics have said forever that it's crazy woowoo medicine. It would never work. Well, guess what? The Orientals had it mapped out correctly 2000 years ago, and we're just now catching up, being able to use staining and MRIs to see where that energy flow goes, but red light, and now we're learning green light. Both get channeled straight down those meridians and when we push that energy, that light down those meridians, it activates those pathways and eliminates blockages, rebalancing the flow of our energy. So we can use targeted light therapy or what I call photo acupuncture. It's also called laser acupuncture. It's called photonic therapy. We can very quickly make a systemic change, a very fast change to the entire body by activating those acupuncture points. And the beautiful thing about doing photo puncture is because there's no needles and it's non-invasive, we could do it for ourselves. There's no license leaning on it. And my company, Photonic Therapies Institute provides charts with little recipes. You have bad allergies, activate these points for 30 seconds each. Stop the histamine response. You have lower back pain. Activate these points you have, and we're not curing anything. We're giving the body, we're bringing it back into balance. Whether that's stimulating, stimulating lymph drainage or shifting the body into a parasympathetic state, like shifting into rest and digest, you can do that less than three minutes with light.

Wendy: 15:29

So you're starting to mention some of them, but what are types of conditions or illnesses that it really helps with or that you notice that it even helps with more?

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 15:38

I can't go there. We do not treat illness. I have to say that as a non-licensed medical professional, we do not diagnose. We do not treat, we do not cure, but also, it's the wrong way to look at it. When we give a diagnosis, we say somebody has diabetes, it puts it into a classification, and everybody wants a pill to fix it. But when we look at the parts of the body that are affected, maybe that diabetes has lowered pancreatic function, but maybe they have peripheral neuropathy. We can help the body to regenerate that nerve activity and reconnect that activity to the brain and reroute the pain signals that have gotten taken over by the frontal lobe with light. The three things that the FDA will allow us to say about any light therapy tool is that it lowers pain, Increases circulation and stimulates cellular repair, like two to 300%. When you think about it, that's about 90% of fixing almost anything. If you could get out of pain and move better and have better circulation and your cells regenerated faster, that's a big key. So when somebody says to me, can I fix my tennis elbow with this? I said, well, would it be better with these three things? And then a couple of years ago, I was helping to write a research study, and I was going through all these other medical papers and I found a quote by a researcher that I've glommed onto. I love it. It says, light therapy gives every cell the energy it needs to do its own job better. So heart cells do heart work better. Nerve cells do nerve work better brain cells do brain work better. Skin cells do skin jobs better when they have the energy they need. And light is that packet of energy, that's it, absorbed by what's called a chromo forest or color in the skin, or by water. We're big bags of water. So we absorb all this light. Infrared light is absorbed by the water. So when you start trying to go, what can it fix? Well, what can't we fix if we have more energy? If the cells can replicate themselves, if they can detox themselves, it comes down to where do we shine our light and which light do we shine? Not, oh gee, we don't use it for this or this.

Wendy: 18:11

That's interesting. And I do find that everything has to fit into what an insurance company will pay.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 18:18

And for 30 years, one of the big name in L L L T is what it was called for years. I there was arguments over whether that was low level laser therapy or low level light therapy. But the big dog in the room is Thor laser. If you walk into most dentists, physicians, high level medical centers. The big laser they have on the side of the booth is a Thor laser system. Usually not all of them, but especially 20 years ago, Thor has been fighting for 35 years to get that covered by the insurance. And unless there isn't a pill to hide the symptoms, they're still fighting that fight. The research that is funded is research into areas where pharmaceuticals have not been successful. So for example, Alzheimer's and, Parkinson's. Two areas where light therapy has been extremely successful. For dentists it's oral mucositis and graft versus host disease. Drugs don't seem to address it, especially if you prep the area with light before giving radiation, chemo, or if you get light on it as soon as possible after, you can negate all of those infections that happen around the head and neck. So those things are paid for by insurance, but more of it is growing. We're seeing more insurance covering the tools we work with, and it really comes down to it can't start with Thor, it has to start with patient demand. Patients or clients of the insurance companies have to demand that. It used to be you couldn't get acupuncture or massage or other woowoo things paid for by health insurance. And now a lot of that's covered. So it's one more therapy that we have to demand, we want in our toolbox, what our providers can be paid for.

Wendy: 20:14

It's so funny you said that cuz I was having a conversation with somebody. I have these conversations often is that as patients we should have some say in our care. It shouldn't be a pill or a surgery. We should really have say and finding the right doctor to work with you with that? It is an issue and we are our own best advocates for what we need. And you're right. It's not gonna be the major companies who are gonna change that. It's going to be the patients who say, yeah, no, I don't wanna do it that way. And last year I actually had a massage for the first time on my insurance and I had no idea that they had even started covering that.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 20:49

Yeah, I know that. Especially in the face of like car accidents and trauma. They found it's gonna cost them a whole lot less long term and one thing that is bringing about the change, of course, is the opiate crisis. When you start realizing that you can stop the pain response, much of our pain is emotionally caused. And especially in the face of chronic pain or pain that's associated with severe trauma, where we have a P T S D reaction. That pain signal is no longer being handled by the part of the brain that takes care of that part of the body. It gets rerouted to the frontal lobe and so, it's literally rerouted permanently for many people until, and we found that we can reset that with light shifting the body into a parasympathetic state and lighting what's called the dermatome map, the parts of the spinal cord that correspond with the nerves that are saying, this hurts. Very quickly. For some people, we help them get out of pain cycles that they've been in for decades.

Wendy: 21:55

That's amazing. As somebody who's worked very closely with those in the opiate community, it's a long haul. And I see a lot of people who go, no, but I'm on this medication. I'm not doing opiates anymore. And I'm not knocking that. I know it works for some people.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 22:07

Everybody has to choose their own path.

Wendy: 22:09

It was supposed to be a short-term solution. It was not supposed to be a long time, and I see where people use then just switch from one to another and I'm like, I don't know if that's the better quality of life than I guess than you had Probably. I know you have a story about a woman no longer needing a hip replacemnt.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 22:26

we've seen people overcome decades of neuropathy. We were doing the Iowa Horse Fair. And grandma who'd been running the booth next to us selling cute kids boots and t-shirts and hats. She'd been on her feet three and a half days on concrete, and we'd been there, lighting things up and she came over after everything was closed up on the last day. And she said, oh no, you put everything away. I was really hoping to get some. She didn't tell us what was wrong with us. She just asked if she could have some lights. Well, we had a metal chair still sitting there. So we tucked some light therapy pads down the back of her pants. Her hip was hurting, so we wrapped her hip outside of her blue jeans. I mean we're still, in a big room in front of God and everyone and had her sit, we put a face mask over her eyes cuz that has an emotional relief. Had her sit for 20 minutes while we finished packing up the truck. And she emailed us the next morning and said, oh my God, that was incredible. And she came back the next year to the same booth and said, I never did have a hip replacement. I was fine, but now I need a new knee. So she gets out there and she got, she got her knee lit up three days in a row. And the third year she just walked over first day, handed us a credit card and said, shut up, sell me a system cause she was like, I'm only getting this once a year and it's not enough. But she never did have knee replacement. She never did have hip replacement. Cause she allowed all those ligaments and tendons to realign and rebalance. And her sacral balance came back into alignment with the hip and her knee went back into where it's supposed to be. It's not always a single session. We don't always have miracles like that, but when you give, when you give yourself a chance to try this first before going undergoing a scalpel. We've had some amazing miracle stories.

Wendy: 24:16

That's incredible. So this show is about entrepreneurs, how can light therapy help us? Because,I know for me, I have spent 25 years sitting in front of a desk, even though I have my own business. And it causes a lot of Uncomfortable night's sleeps.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 24:30

Well, there's, there's a variety of ways that self-care could help. For example, always on my desk and in my purse and everywhere I go. This is a little flashlight. We call it a photo puncture torch. It has upgraded innards and very specific wavelengths and high output, and this one is red and near infrared light. And you can see it's a lot of power. It's going right through the palm of my hand. They don't always have to be that high powered, but there are times when you know you need to be, Efficient. And go through horse hair and dog hair and all of those things. So I never go anywhere without one or two torches with me. For self-care, I start the day by activating what we call health and balance points. They're principle acupuncture points that help to bring different systems of the body into balance. So I start off the morning really quick. It takes me about four minutes. I improve my mental clarity. My immune response, my lung capacity and respiratory response, flush my kidneys, help with a little bit of detox and, flush liver, gallbladder, and essentially get the body warmed up. When people start with our photo puncture, we recommend that they do these points, activate these points for 30 seconds each. Every day for 30 days to help their body respond to their physical response, back to where it should be, and then. for example, we're getting on a meeting, I'd been drinking too much coffee this morning and going at a million miles an hour, and I was like, oh man, I've gotta sit down and do an interview. I need a brain. So I grabbed out my green torch. Green has turned out to be amazing for emotions. Very soothing. It helps with pain levels, especially emotional pain. We used to think really it was the red, that it was activating acupuncture points cuz it would go deep enough into the body to activate these poor puzzles. Well, it turns out the green does too. So I needed to bring myself back into balance to meet with you. So I let up lit up my forehead and hit my third eye a little bit. And I hit some points that help were calming me down. Bringing myself back into my body, bringing me present again. If I've got a little brain fog, I'll use it at the top of the head, and it'll help bring energy up into the brain. There's many different ways we can do it. Or if I'm dealing with meeting with other people, I go to the store, I'm out in public. We come back, we do red light directly up into the nasal passages, so I literally put light up my nose because red light denature is virus, and opens up all of the circulation in the face, brings in more oxygen, helps me to breathe better, and it triggers the release of nitric oxide, which is your secondary immune system. Red light releases nitric oxide from the endothelial cells of the blood vessels. So I don't worry about going and interacting with the public. There's lots of different ways there's stress points. You can bring down your blood pressure very quickly. You can help with headaches very quickly. Green light in the nasal passages helps to just stamp out migraines. So it depends on what it is you need.

Wendy: 27:49

That's good to know. If somebody is interested in what time range does light therapy start to take hold?

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 27:55

Depends on how, if it's a chronic or an acute issue. If it's just come up, it's usually fairly fast to resolve. Now if what just came up was a broken leg, we're gonna speed up the healing of that broken leg. We're gonna lower the pain, we're gonna get you more mobile. We're gonna prevent the atrophy of the leg, Or you are, you're gonna do it for yourself, or you're gonna work with a certified light therapist, or as a certified light therapist, you're gonna help other people get through this. But the length of time is usually related to how long this has been a problem. The longer somebody's had neuropathy, the longer it'll take for us to completely reverse that neuropathy. But we've had people who haven't felt their feet in over a year. Have two to three sessions, if not even after the first one, and then their feet are burning and tingling and hurting again, which we have to explain, Hey, that's a good thing you're feeling them. We have to go back through that and reinvigorate these nerves. And then the process may take two to three months. It really depends on if they have their own system, if they're doing it regularly for themself or if they're going to a therapist. The more you can stay consistent. And go after it, then the less time it'll take. Well, I have another miracle story. About four years ago, friend and I went up, we had a booth, we live here in Arizona and my husband works with the local fire department. We went to the state fire and e m S conference. This is where they go in and they order next year's trucks and the new equipment and gas masks and everything for the next year. And then they have all sorts of training and the fire chiefs and the board members and the paramedics all go up and they have all kinds of different breakout sessions. So there were many vendors and many different e m s personnel there, probably four, 500 people at this conference. And my friend and I had a booth and we were like, Hey, come on over. Have some light therapy. See what this'll do for you because I'm so tied to the fire department here. I know what a toll first responders have. Yes. On their body emotionally as well as physically. Yep. So we started lighting people up and on the second day, a gentleman from one of the other booths came over. He was one of the vendors, and he was like, would it be okay if my wife came by. I'm like, sure, anybody the, come on in, have a session. So she came over and we heard her story, and two years before they'd found a tumor that was wrapped around her spine and it went all the way from her neck down to her pelvis and the surgery to remove the tumor. They had to break all the ribs on her right side to be able to access this area. And like any good mechanic, when they got done there was, the pieces didn't all go back together right. And she had been in severe pain ever since this surgery. She'd been working with one of the top pain management specialists in Scottsdale. She was on heavy opiates. I think it was once or twice a month, she was going in for spinal blocks and in. It was heavy duty. And yet they were out there working these booths and she ran this business and did all the accounting and bookkeeping and personnel management in addition. So she came over and we had beautiful little recliner chairs, and we set her up with a light therapy pad system. We had lights going down her spine. Again, the eye mask help with the emotional part. She told us that her husband had bought her a $5,000 bed just so that she could take the pressure off her body and try to sleep. She hadn't slept, really, hadn't slept much in that time. Well, within about five, six minutes of us having her under the lights, she was snoring. She was out. A typical session is 20 minutes. At the end of 20, she's still snoring. We just set her for another 20 and let her go. Her husband's just standing there watching in shock. So she gets done. We wake her up. Wendy, you need to go back to your booth. She got up and she's like, oh my God, I don't hurt. It was the first time in two years, even with opiates, she didn't hurt. So she just was like, here, I want one of these systems. I'm taking it home. And the system. There was some special that month where she would get a couple of free pads. We had to order those for her. We tried to get ahold of her, Hey, we've got you pads for you. Crickets. Didn't hear from her. It was almost a month, we left message. After message. She finally called back and she says, I'm so sorry, but I overdid it. The week after this, I was sleeping so well. I didn't have any pain and I was carrying the laundry and I fell down a flight of stairs. And I ended up back in the hospital and they told me it would be six to nine weeks before I was back in the office, but I made my husband go get my light therapy system for me. I was out of the hospital the next day. I was back at the office the next Monday, and I've been on the road at trade shows. She goes nowhere without her lights. And then she's like, wait a minute, I'm buying another session from my mother-in-law cuz she keeps stealing mine and all of that. But sometimes it's that exactly perfect recipe and that shift. Sometimes it can be very fast, but she still uses it. She will always have this misaligned spine. She will always be dealing with to some extent, but within 30 days, she no longer had the spinal injections or the opiates.

Wendy: 33:27

That's amazing. I love hearing stories like that. I have had a lovely time talking to you and learning about this. You are, amazing and it completely opened my world into something new, which is incredible. I would love for you to tell our guests the offer you have for them and then also how they can get in touch with you. And of course I'll have it in the show notes too.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 33:47

Certainly. Obviously, from what I've said, we love empowering people to do this for themselves, but my primary focus is empowering people to have businesses build a business around, doing good about filling that heart space. If you're somebody who loves caring for humans horses or dogs and cats, or even emus, if this is something that you've always wanted to wrap your life around, is making your hobby, your passion, and your income. This is what we love doing and we have a completely online certified light therapist course, and then advanced courses in the photo puncture where you learn to do this with your torches and so on. You can go to certifiedlighttherapist.com for an offer about that course and and getting started from a business perspective. and really for starting a business all in, we've had people get going for, the course is $1,295. And we even have a payment plan on that. It's not going back to college for six years. It's really getting started foot in the water. Some people do it in two weeks, some people take a year cuz life intervenes but its certifiedlighttherapist.com talks about the course and getting started with the business for learning about the tools that we use and how you can put your foot in the water and buy the right tools for yourself and access recipes and charts. Just go to photonictherapyinstitute.com and we teach a live educational webinar every Thursday morning. It's totally free. 9:00 AM Pacific Time. You can register for it on our website. That's photonictherapyinstitute.com. You register for office hours, you're invited to come every week and you can start asking questions about what's the best approach for you.

Wendy: 35:41

That is fantastic. Thank you so much for being here with me today. And, I'm really grateful to learn about this. I find it fascinating and I really do believe that the body can completely heal itself if we would only allow it to.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 35:54

We just have to get out of its way, which is why I'm such a big believer in cleanse, nourish, balance. Cleanse out the junk, give the proper nutrition and light is a nutrient. We've become indoor cave dwellers. We live in our houses. We're not getting all the wave lengths of light. The more light, the better. Obviously not to the point where you peel off your skin, but this is why the light therapy is so beneficial.

Wendy: 36:19

Thank you so much for being here today. Well,

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 36:22

Wendy, I appreciate being here as well.

Wendy: 36:24

Thank you. And for my listeners, don't forget to subscribe. Come back for this Saturday's show, and if you love what you heard today, please leave us a review. Have a great week.

Kay Aubrey-Chimene: 36:36

Thanks, Wendy. Bye-bye.