Cheyenne Mease - How to Avoid Burnout

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[00:00:38] Wendy: Hey everyone. As always, we have another great show today we are with Cheyenne Meese I'm going to read your bio. Her success rests on a tryout of innate calling in depth study and real world experience. A sought after practitioner for over 30 years for profound energetic awareness and down to earth synergistic approach defies an ordinary label.

Friends call her the getter done girl. Clients consider her their inspirationalist. Cheyenne awoke to her calling very early in life. Her mission was, has always been helping people help themselves. To that end, she has undertaken years of ongoing study and training in a broad spectrum of disciplines, including counseling, wellness, mysticism, and philosophy.

Her formal education includes intensive lectures by the 14th Dalai Lama that touched her soul. Spiritual mentoring by three of the intergenerational counsel of 13 indigenous grandmothers validating the work she's here to do as well as extensive training with the Princeton Family Center, the American Polarity Therapy Association.

The Spring Forest Healing Center and the network of victim assistance. In addition to the fast knowledge, she brings a profound capacity for empathy and intuition to every client in insightful, and actionable ways based in her home on a working form in Eastern Pennsylvania. This plain spoken grandmother is referred by medical practitioners and called.

Upon directly by individuals in need of support, guidance, and empowerment during difficult times, she serves both remote and local clients. So welcome to the show, Cheyenne. Thank you so much for being here with me today. 

[00:02:16] Cheyenne Mease: Thanks for having me on.

[00:02:18] Wendy: You are on a working farm which I think, is amazing. So I wanna get into the show because our topic today is an integrated life.

I know that meanings of words or definitions, there's textbook and then there, what do they mean to you? So what does an integrated life mean to you? 

[00:02:34] Cheyenne Mease: Integrated life to me would mean regardless of what you do for a living or a career, farming and ranching to me is really a lifestyle.

So we have a lifestyle of that. And then how do we take everyday life, my profession as a career person, as well as the calling that I have, which kind of overlap and go together. Early on there was. I'd go off and do a training and then I'd come back to two kids in high school or middle school and soccer games and taking care of my grandmother and being on different volunteer groups.

And it was challenging. I would study and I would have all of this. Stuff going on a weekend or a week long and then come back and it was like living in two worlds. So to me, integrated is how do you take those and you bring them together? How do you bring in, whatever your passion is in life, your training, and integrate it into your everyday life?

So it's not like you're on, you're off.

[00:03:34] Wendy: I love that because I even know for myself for years I had my company and ran a non-profit and I always in my head somehow thought it had to be separate and not realize that the same person did both.

And I think there's like something in society where we're told to compartmentalize our life. Actually, even if you think of work life balance, it's okay, you have your work, you have your life, as opposed to being a whole. 

[00:03:58] Cheyenne Mease: So that work life balance is always an interesting topic.

I'm sure you've talked to people about it before and you will again. And to me, it's always changing. So I like to think of work life balance it isn't a 50 50 it's this 20 80, 80, 20, 70, 30, and it's gonna ebb and flow. And if we. Ride those waves, navigate through life I think we're healthier. We can appreciate glass half full, not half empty. What is working what as opposed to what isn't working? There's value in what isn't working because you can't fix it if you don't. Look at the squeaky wheel and figure out why it's squeaking or not working. But we can, have a tendency if we're not careful either by our upbringing, hard wiring as I would say, or society depending on what you watch, what feeds you.

Whether your glass is half full or half empty. Taking a look at that, to me there's that work life balance is an interesting, how cool is it if your career and your passion is your life work, that would be great if we could all do that, but we can't. Right? So then how do we appreciate what we do for a living that it affords us to do those other things we want to do.

[00:05:14] Wendy Manganaro: I like the fact that you talked about ebb and flow too because I think that when you have ebb and flow, it's okay to it's okay to like tweak as you go because

[00:05:25] Cheyenne Mease: Oh, I love that.

[00:05:32] Wendy Manganaro: Ebb may be very different tomorrow. 

[00:05:35] Cheyenne Mease: Exactly. 

[00:05:36] Wendy Manganaro: So I think that's a really important thing to consider is when we're doing this and so for you especially because you are living on a ranch. It's a working ranch, so I know that you're doing things there, plus you have your clients, plus you have your family, right?

So you have it all and I'd be interested to know from your perspective, because a lot of times when it's somebody looking in, somebody might go how do you get it all done? Because that's a lot to have on one's plate where you don't feel like you're cheating one from the other.

[00:06:08] Cheyenne Mease: You don't always get it all done. I think that's the first thing. That's a wonderful objective or goal to have or eye on the prize, so to speak. That would be what I'd really like to happen today with being able to receive the fact that might not happen and farming and ranching, mother nature governs so much of that.

It rained yesterday. No one was cutting hay , whether you wanted to or not. That was on the agenda, but it didn't stop raining early enough to make that happen. Bailing season, you start bailing hay and everything worked. When you started all the equipment up after a long winter's nap, but then when you get in the field, something's clogging or a, something's not working.

So how can you receive what's going on and navigate with it. And I think it's a metaphor for life. We have this awesome idea, it's just gonna look like this. And it doesn't always look like that. I had a client this morning, I do remote work similar sometimes it's at WhatsApp, FaceTime, phone.

Some people come here to the farm. But I know working with a woman who went through a liver transplant during the pandemic and her work life balance, ebb and flow and navigating life has changed greatly from prior to a liver transplant. Then going through the pandemic with that and now.

Her life is not gonna be like it was four years ago, or three years ago, or two years ago. And so meeting life where we're at. And when we originally talked about connecting up here, it was about how do we support ourselves as women entrepreneurs? And a lot of times, women entrepreneurs maybe you don't have children, but we have pets or we have siblings or parents that need our care.

There's other things going on, like you said, working in a non-for-profit and how do we do that without burning out? How do we support ourselves as we go through that? And I think that's gonna change, depending on what you're doing. There are times when my life is calling a lot of energy for me, and so I'm not gonna work as many hours or with as many clients or my client base is a very heavy, intense, they're dealing with life and death decisions or I'm down at chop working with someone and that's gonna take a different level of focus and energy from me, just like with a farm.

We're real busy during hay season. Planting, and then there's that ebb and flow. So you wanna take time when we aren't 12 in 18 hour days and smell the roses, enjoy life a little bit because it's gonna rise again. 

[00:08:43] Wendy Manganaro: And I like that you said that it'll rise again. And to that point where we talking about burnout and what that looks like, I think some

[00:08:53] Wendy: entrepreneurs specifically is not feeling the guilt in between especially if you're wearing so many different hats, how do you do that? I was actually talking to a friend of mine the other day and she said I don't feel good today. And I'm fighting my head all day going, It's okay just to say it. Cuz that's a common issue. 

[00:09:10] Cheyenne Mease: We tend to be our worst enemy sometimes, right?

We've got that chatter going on in our head, and we have to wonder like, where did that come from? Were we programmed that way based on a parent and that's not bad on them. That's just what. We learned or what they learned. Early on when we bought the farm, we got here. The farm had nothing done to it for 50 some years. There was a lot of renovation to do and So I do chi-gong, meditation, yoga, have all these tools, taken all these classes, teach all these things. And I remember one day being on this 70 acres of farmland and I can go for my walk.

And I'm out walking. And in my mind I'm like I didn't get my meditation done and when am I gonna do my chi-gong? I can laugh about it now cause I'm like, Oh my God, I'm stressing out over relaxing. I'm like, Okay, time out breathe. Today I gotta walk. If I can get my chi-gong on in, and if I can't, then it's up to me to be okay with that. So some of that to me is grab the bull by the horns and look it right in the eye and go, This is crazy. This is today. Just sitting down and having a class of sweet tea or something is my relaxation and how I receive it.

I had a teacher who, actually it was one of the sutras about a woman who went to follow her teacher and she left her family, and the teacher was like, Woman, go home and draw water from the well and do it mindfully. And you are my student. , So it's the presence that we bring to what we do.

So doing dishes can be meditative. So I teach a lot of my people like tools, That's the what are some of the things that you can do while you're waiting in line at the grocery store? You can practice standing on one foot and balance. You can practice like shutting out the noise and taking six deep breaths while you're in line waiting to check out.

We don't always have to have as lovely as it would be to have that hour and a half all to ourselves. I live a very full busy. And the best laid plans can go awry when somebody says, Can you run me to the field to get a tractor? Or, We're gonna move equipment and we need somebody, or a client calls and says I'm sitting in the doctor's office and they're like, Your bps double what it should be, and you need to call Cheyenne.

And so I'm finding a way to bring them in as soon as possible. I put into my schedule, for instance, I ran into myself again on this one where I would be booked so tight that there was no room for those emergencies where people can't wait. Or somebody's, been in a car accident and icu and it's I just used up, 98% of my air today and now somebody needs 20 and I only have two left.

. So I schedule what I call floaters whenever possible so that I can bring people in and it doesn't become too much. I color code my calendar. That's the other thing I do a very practical thing on my laptop. I have a color for babysitting or being with the grandkids. One for helping with Meadowbrook Farms, one for seeing clients, one for me, one for days to celebrate.

And then I can look at my week, day, or month by the color and get an idea whether I'm doing a way more clients than maybe is good for me or, wow, I've really been giving a lot of my time over here. I. How about me? Where's my color? That's a practical 

thing that I do.

[00:12:48] Wendy: I really love that. And you know what you're talking about too, because I have experienced this where, you've built up no time for things that aren't going to go right. I am somebody who didn't like structure, who now likes structure.

I don't know when that really happened to me cuz I was that person that was like, I don't need a schedule. , And then I had a baby and chemical, something changed and I was like, Oh, we have a schedule. And then I was like, too scheduled. I went through this where, I didn't put in the emergencies. And I think that's what most people forget to build into their schedule is that there's what we wanna do and then there's what life hands us and how to Make that work together. 

[00:13:29] Cheyenne Mease: What it presents to you that day. It's natural to think about those emergencies or those have tos, but what about the opportunity to meet a friend for a coffee or go for a walk? I was able to do that this morning because I had some flex and I got a text at nine o'clock last night from someone that I haven't seen or heard from in a while, and she's Hey, any chance of getting a coffee or breakfast or a walk?

And I was like, Let's walk. So I could combine getting my walk in along with reconnecting with someone and if my schedule was packed too tight, that wouldn't happen. I think having the availability for those unexpected, when a friend needs a ride or something happens, but also for the idea that you could, Oh, it's nice out today.

Let's go to the lake. And you can still get everything done that you need to do, and you can enjoy the day as it goes. 

[00:14:23] Wendy Manganaro: That's so important because I think that, when I started my business, it was to the other side. I was like oh yeah, that I have to work.

[00:14:29] Wendy: So there's always that, and that's why I like that ebb and flow, cuz you learn as you go. And I love the fact that you color code your calendar so that you can see. That's great, for anybody who's visual, that's a great way to be like oh, there's not enough family time, or there's not enough, whatever it is.

I love that idea. I'm very visual So that works in my head, to see colors. For those who are headed into burnout but they don't even realize, how do you know if you're burning out? And then two, what self check can you do to bring themselves back?

[00:14:59] Cheyenne Mease: So everybody has a different definition of what burnout is. It just like you're color coded. I may have a lot of right now my grandkids maybe, you'd look at and go, Wow, you are really giving a lot of time. And I'd be like, No, it's actually exactly what I want right now.

Cause they're only little so long and this too shall pass or change. I think when you start feeling you're resenting, you have resentment, you're feeling angry or cranky, kissy, to put it bluntly is where's that coming from? And then one of my big one tall tales is if you hear the words, Should I should do that?

If you were my client, I'd be like, stop shoulding on yourself. And then they'll laugh. I actually had a client who's an entrepreneur, been in business for 20 some years and always felt the need to make all the funerals of anybody she remotely was connected to.

And it caused her so much stress. And she's But I should go to this service. And I'm always really? And we started talking about alternatives and I said, The truth of it is, if you're not that person's person, there's gonna be a lot of people at this service.

What if you send a card and then a month later, two months, even later, when everybody forgot that loved one is gone, you reached out to them and. Can I take you to lunch? Or I'd love to meet you for a coffee or wanna meet you at the lake for a walk when you have the time, because this person's schedule was like really crazy.

And if someone dies in the funerals right away, it's in three days, how am I gonna clear my schedule for this? I have meetings in the city and then there's all this stress. And I would watch her just go into, Spiral of knots and we had to talk. And it's getting in your face, your own face.

Be real. Like really? Are you really that key person? And why are you going And is this a business thing? Is it genuine? And Just shift it. It doesn't mean that she won't be present or do things, but it's that should, I think, to really answer your question, if you're feeling resentful, and if you hear you say, I should do that, I would be like, Why should you do that?

And where is that coming from? And then regroup. 

[00:17:17] Wendy Manganaro: I like that. And about the funeral thing. I am one who always feel after two weeks after a funeral, everybody forgets it happened and I'm like, That's the time you go in.

You being one of 500 people, because they feel like they should be there.

[00:17:31] Cheyenne Mease: The right thing to do.

[00:17:32] Wendy: The right thing to do. That's so funny. I, and I'm a big believer in that. I'm like, Okay, when everybody's left that person alone, that's the time that they need somebody and don't realize, they don't realize that they need somebody then because it's the aftermath.

[00:17:45] Cheyenne Mease: Anniversaries you can bring more to that relationship from a heart space. If you come in when you have the time. , yeah. There are times when yes, it's essential and it's the right thing to do to reschedule clients and be there for those people still living as well as yourself cuz you need that.

If you here should on anything, ask why do you think you should do it? And then if you regroup, maybe you think you should do it because, yeah, I've gotta get the car inspected, or I could get a ticket, then go get the car inspected. Get over it, schedule it next time. So it's done two weeks in advance instead of it taking the last day of the the month when it's due. But that's again, I think holding yourself accountable. I talk about that in my first book, where hold yourself accountable to hold others accountable. And that's easier for me to say than to do. . And that accountability is really being incredibly honest with yourself.

Really get honest. 

[00:18:52] Wendy Manganaro: So you have written a book and I have the name of it right here. It is Two Dozen New Ways, A Simple Guide to Empowering Yourself.

[00:18:58] Cheyenne Mease: That one came out in February. The one I was just referring to came out in 2012.

It's Clarity, Wisdom, Harmony and that's simple and concise tools for everyday living, and that one is really a culmination of metaphors and things that I've shared with clients over the years. And in that, I do talk about holding yourself accountable.

Because oftentimes we're like, Oh, he did this or she did that, or They make me feel like this. And I'm like, No, take a check. Where's that coming from? Or I always have to do this. Do you, How'd you get here? Again, if we go back to our own accountability, I talk about unraveling the Christmas lights, I feel we have all the tools inside of us.

It's just a matter of having someone that can help us find that. And sometimes we need someone to help us reflect on that and get that accountability. But like I said, easier to say than to do. 

[00:19:51] Wendy: Absolutely. And this is actually a topic that you do here, this idea of accountability and I was listening to a meditation from jay Shetty this morning. That was exactly what we're talking about here and that he was talking about playing the blame game and he was telling the story of two brothers that built houses. One spent months and months going through every one of this employee having a group meeting and then individual meetings and trying to blame them for the problem that was in the house.

And the other brother went back to the architect, figured out what was the problem, and took care of the house, and it was done in weeks as opposed to the other person brother fired the whole team. But I like this because that's what it really accountability is it's like not allowing, even if it is somebody else's fault per se, that you don't take accountability so that you can move yourself on.

[00:20:39] Cheyenne Mease: Or to say, Okay, they're not the right builder. I'm gonna hire somebody else. Instead of the builder this. And the builder that. It's okay, then what do you need to do to move forward on it? I think the accountability changes too.

So as one of the founding members of the Women's Business Forum many years ago, and being a part of, and I love supporting women. I love supporting anybody and making connections. I'm a people connector and I love to see people thrive and find their passion as I think we have that in common.

 But the truth is that you start your business and it's one thing, and then it hopefully grows and morphs and changes into things. And when that happens, to be able to step back and go is this still good for me? Have I grown bigger than I wanted to be? Years ago I brought my practice home.

I started my practice in a medical facility. A doctor built me my room three medical physicians. And I reached a point in my career where I was really busy. My kids were a point in their life where they were playing soccer and traveling, and I was burning the candle at both ends and I had to accountability.

And I was like, You know what? Something's gotta give. And I brought my practice home. So I had less overhead. I could do less clients and still work and then be at my kids' games. And that only lasted so many years, and then we were onto a new phase. But again, it's always changing. I 

think. 

[00:22:08] Wendy: I agree. And I think and you can correct me, I think that this the idea of accountability actually empowers us to be accountable as opposed waiting on somebody else. That's the big thing. And that's what I've learned about being accountable is if I'm accountable, I don't have to wait on you to do whatever you're doing.

[00:22:26] Cheyenne Mease: And I can choose whether I wanna work all weekend so I can have Wednesday off. Somebody said years ago we go into business for ourselves so we can work a 60 to an 80 hour week , But we can if we want to, and we're passionate about it. 

[00:22:38] Wendy Manganaro: A friend of mine told me, I forget, we were in this situation.

[00:22:40] Wendy: Somebody needed something from him and they needed it last minute. And he was like, No. And I was like but It was service thing. And he said Their emergency is not my issue. And I'm like, Huh?

 I was shocked. He's said I'm not gonna not do it, but that doesn't mean I have to drop everything to do it. And I think that there's accountability in that, and I like how you say that, like accountability. 

[00:23:06] Cheyenne Mease: I also mention, when we're in different, whatever our field is if you don't let people know what it takes to do what you do, they can sometimes, because you're so good at it, they'll be like, Oh, I need x, Y by tomorrow. And they have no idea.

Cuz you make it look smooth. You are making it look like it's so easy because it is easier for you. That's why we hired you. But they don't know what's behind the scenes unless you share what goes into it. And that to me also as accountability. It's like letting people know. I, for instance, I will work people into the best that I can, but I like to have a certain space in between to regroup so that I'm fully present. I don't drink a lot of alcohol, but if I know I'm gonna have clients, I will not have a drink the night before. , because I want to be as clean and clear as I can be for the clients I work with. So it's. That's just something I do that not only is about taking care of me, but it's taking care of my clients and recognizing what do you need that takes care of you, and setting those expectations for the client that they know.

What they can and cannot, you're setting that up. If you jump through their hoop every time they call you, they're gonna call you again. 

Why not? 

If somebody would clean my windows, I'd never get the windex out. I don't like to clean windows, so if you'll jump through the hoop for me. I'm gonna keep calling you, but if you let me know, listen, I can do that this time, but in the future I need four days notice for this. . And if you let me know that you did me a favor and you're willing to do that, then the next time I pull this in a 24 hour period say I can do it.

I told you I need four days. But that's you holding that boundary we're talking about.

[00:24:51] Wendy: I can't remember when I started to do it, but I realized that the first thing in my proposals is my hours. 

[00:24:57] Cheyenne Mease: There you go. 

[00:24:58] Wendy: And at first it was uncomfortable and now this is how you can reach me.

This is when you can reach me . And the other thing too is because for a long time I had in my agency, so I would do people's social media and I was like, there's no social media emergency. I promise you. I know you think there is one. There really isn't. It's 10 o'clock on a Saturday.

Never gonna happen. And so that's the thing you start to realize to set those boundaries. And I'm really great with that I don't answer emails on weekends. But it took me going Oh my gosh I don't wanna be at the game with my son and get a work call and go into what I think is panic for me.

So if I just set the boundary, then I don't do it, and there's no expectation on that side, which is good. 

[00:25:42] Cheyenne Mease: You're also gonna give me a better product, right? If you're not at your kid's game on the sideline, it's like saying that I'm important to you. I'm fully focused and I'm not gonna divide that time. And the only one who could do that again, goes back to that accountability is yourself. What can you do? 

[00:26:00] Wendy Manganaro: So I can't believe we're almost out of time, but that does lead me to this question, especially for female entrepreneurs.

What's a good first practical step for them to step into that? Because talking accountability in today's terms, it's also boundaries. I know that's a big word that we use, but how does somebody who doesn't do that well, especially if they're newer in business, or even some people I've met who have been in business for a while, they don't do that well.

So what's a good first step for them to be like because there's an uncomfortable, I know, at least for me, the first time I started to do that, it was uncomfortable. So how do you get past that uncomfortable and first step to do it? 

[00:26:37] Cheyenne Mease: I think the first one is to write it down. To print it out, put it in print.

Sometimes it's easier for people to do than it is to verbally look someone in the eye. So put it in print, like you said, it's right at the top of your contract or whatever. I never like the 24 hour notice cancellation or I'm gonna charge you. , I now. I had someone who abused the privilege, and so I rarely ever use it, but it's in print in case I need it. Because I had somebody who would cancel on, Mondays to go play golf. And I was like, Yeah, no, that's not gonna happen anymore.

Or have someone else do it for you. If you're not good at terminating a client, hire someone to terminate 'em for you. Call somebody and say, I need to hire you for one phone call. Can you get ahold of X, Y, Z and tell them, we're not a fit. I can't meet their needs. They need something that I'm able to do 10 o'clock, on a Saturday at my kid's game. So you have the possibility of hiring someone who is good at it, write it down, practice it, practice in the mirror, and just know it's gonna be uncomfortable. But after a while, like you said in the beginning, it was like, Oh, I don't know if this is okay.

Someone said this years ago, you made it in business when you can fire your first client. So when you get to the place, and it's not so much about firing, but it's knowing that you're not a fit is a gentler way that I would talk about it. My training, we were taught to be able to handle anything that came in the door, and that meant if someone came in with something that was out of my skill set, that I had the ability to say, I'm not a fit for you.

There's somebody out there with the skill set. There are certain things that I am not the best person for it, but I could help you find that. , that's not my expertise. And to be able to know that about yourself and okay. Enough to say no, that is more of a gift to somebody than to try to help them.

When you don't have that skillset, you're not doing them a favor.

[00:28:42] Wendy Manganaro: That is so true. I think that's one of the hardest things, especially in the beginning, they want to put their best foot forward. And when you take clients, because and sometimes it's a money factor, right? Like they go, I'll take the client anyway knowing they know, we know, every person knows and we go into a business deal. There's like very rare that we don't in instinctually know this is a bad idea.

[00:29:05] Wendy: And then when it doesn't work out, it's not good for them. It's not good for you. And it's so funny because when I had my agency for a long time, I used to get potential client phone calls of I hate marketers , but again, it's because of what you're talking about. Because people, they were already locked up with people who weren't a good fit.

that didn't mean I was a good fit for them either, but it goes back to that should I should take this person as a client, I shouldn't walk away from the money, you and it just becomes this cycle instead of going, it'll be okay.

And the better client's coming. 

[00:29:34] Cheyenne Mease: That's why I offer, for me personally, I've just decided I offer a 15 minute interview talk. Check me out. How many cars did you drive before you bought a car? Don't just sign on ask me some questions. I'm gonna ask you questions. I need to know whether I'm comfortable working with whatever your needs are.

Nobody comes to me for a massage anymore. I don't even offer 'em anymore because that's not what I'm here to do. And it's I, You can do better with somebody else with that, and I will pass them on, or I will say, no, I don't offer that.

Getting really clear about what your strengths are and your weaknesses, we can't all be good at everything, right? So go with your, Offer to the people who need it. That's, for me, has changed throughout my career as well. It's not the same thing it was years ago. It is definitely changed as we go along, but just being incredibly honest, as honest as we can with ourselves.

What is it that I can really offer, and , I'm not good with sprained ankles anymore. Because I'm supposed to be helping with other things. But that opportunity to ask questions and I tell people when they call me, I'm like, Listen to that voice inside of you.

You may really need and want what I do, but you need a man. My voice grates on you, or no, that's just too out there for me, but I think this would be good for me. Then I've done my job and you owe me nothing because that opens me up for the next person who does need me. I'm not using my time helping someone that isn't gonna get them where they need to go along the way.

So it's that listening to that inner voice and a lot of. People don't schedule with me right away, and now I'm fine with that. Even after the first session, I typically say, Go home, or they're at home, or whatever. Give it 24, 48 hours. See if this is right for you. You'll know if and when you wanna work again.

And just really trust in that is it congruent for me. And that to me is the same with type of work. Your social media, your marketing. If you're a fit, it's a flow, that you know the clients you can work with and you just get into it because it's congruent. And it's not, it's two magnets trying to come together and it doesn't work.

 And it doesn't leave room for you to work with the people who you can truly support and help. 

[00:31:59] Wendy: And who you wanna help because that's your calling to help. That's where that passion and calling mixed together something that doesn't fit you, and I'm a big believer just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Cause I know lots of stuff and a lot of companies and entrepreneurs know lots of stuff and so they start to over offer and then they go what you said you stop back and check and go, Okay, I grew this, is this really what I wanted to grow it into?

[00:32:23] Cheyenne Mease: Back in the day I thought I wanted to be. Doing this work full time in a hospital at the, or, et cetera, et cetera. And if the truth is that would kill me. I can go down to University Penn or into Children's Hospital and I get called in by the family or maybe a physician, but I could not be on staff full time.

I respect the people who can, I can't be in that kind of atmosphere and do what I do. I need to literally go out in between clients sometimes and put my feet on the grass. In order to hold to space to do what I do. So that evolution, you have this idea of what it'll look like and it's no, not so much.

It's let go, let God, whatever God is to you. And you find that, people love coming to the farm or they love doing the work with me in retreats or whatever, as opposed to, it's just a very different way of doing it, right? , and then being willing to evolve, that's allowed me to Again, like leaving go of my practice in Stockton in New Jersey and taking it home allowed me to change and grow and continue to support people without burning out.

Quite frankly, I would've burned out right. And I had a teacher who was great. He told us we had, should schedule Mr. Or Mrs. Eat meaning lunch or dinner. Cause people will work right through it. And what's does that service you? If your blood sugar is low or you're dehydrate at you're not gonna function doing for a client or even a friend if you don't take care of yourself first. 

[00:33:58] Wendy: I can't believe that we have to stop. But how do people get in touch with you and then tell 'em about your books and how they can get 'em.

I'd love for people to know. 

[00:34:10] Cheyenne Mease: Thank you. My website is under my medicine name, so it's kinda long Cheyenne. All spelled with e autumn white horse.com. And my books, there's three books, Clarity, Wisdom, Harmony. Two dozen new ways and because it matters and they're all available on Amazon. So if you just Google Cheyenne Meese, m e a s books or any of those titles, so they should come up on Amazon for you.

You can also reach out to me and. Yeah, if I can even help somebody, find somebody or something they need, reach out. Let me know. 

[00:34:49] Wendy Manganaro: Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure to have you on the show today. 

[00:34:53] Cheyenne Mease: You too, Wendy. Thanks for finding me. 

[00:34:55] Wendy Manganaro: Thank you. And so to all of my listeners, I hope you have an abundant week and we will catch you next week.

[00:35:02] Cheyenne Mease: Thank you.